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"totitle": "Testwiki:Kontoret/Arkiv/2012",
"*": "<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-lineno\" id=\"mw-diff-left-l1\">Linje 1:</td>\n<td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-lineno\">Linje 1:</td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div><del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><strong>MediaWiki har blitt installert</del>.<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"></strong></del></div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">'''''Dette er et arkiv</ins>. <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Vennligst ikke foreta endringer her. Aktive diskusjoner foreg\u00e5r p\u00e5 [[Wikikilden:Kontoret]]'''''</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\"></td><td class=\"diff-context diff-side-deleted\"><br></td><td class=\"diff-marker\"></td><td class=\"diff-context diff-side-added\"><br></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div><del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Sjekk [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Contents brukerveiledningen] for \u00e5 f\u00e5 informasjon om hvordan du bruker wiki-programvaren.</del></div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Hvor mange l\u00f8ver? ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\"></td><td class=\"diff-context diff-side-deleted\"><br></td><td class=\"diff-marker\"></td><td class=\"diff-context diff-side-added\"><br></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div>==<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Komme </del>i <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">gang</del>==</div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">P\u00e5 [[Side:Popul\u00e6r-videnskabelige foredrag.djvu/108|denne siden]] i foredraget \u00abPir\u00e6us-L\u00f8ven\u00bb, snakker forfatteren om at flere marmorl\u00f8ver ble tatt med som krigsbytte fra Athen til Venezia. Ettersom denne teksten kun handler om en l\u00f8ve, virker det litt underlig at det plutselig st\u00e5r \u00abMarmorl\u00f8verne\u00bb, siden det frem til da bae har v\u00e6rt snakk om l\u00f8ven''en''. Er dette en trykkfeil som vi kan rette, eller er det det det faktisk st\u00e5r?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div>*[<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">https</del>://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Manual</del>:<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Configuration_settings Innstillingsliste</del>]</div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:If\u00f8lge [[:commons:Category:Arsenale (Venice) - Ancient Greek lions|commons]] ser det ut til at det finnes minst fire l\u00f8ver, men bare \u00e9n med runeinnskrift p\u00e5. Uansett ville jeg ikke ha rettet det, for det er bedre \u00e5 la en \u00abtrykkfeil\u00bb st\u00e5 enn \u00e5 gj\u00f8re en feilaktig endring. [[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] 8. jan 2012 kl. 23:34 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div>*[<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">https</del>://<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">www</del>.<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">mediawiki</del>.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Manual</del>:<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">FAQ </del>Ofte <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">stilte </del>sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">MediaWiki</del>]</div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Ja, jeg er fors\u00e5vidt enig. Det ser ut til \u00e5 v\u00e6re snakk om >1 l\u00f8ve. Det var uansett en veldig rar trykkfeil: \u00e5 bruke flertall istedetfor entall. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] 14. jan 2012 kl. 14:03 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div><del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*</del>[<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">https</del>://<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">lists</del>.<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">wikimedia</del>.org/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">postorius</del>/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">lists</del>/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">mediawiki</del>-<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">announce</del>.lists.wikimedia.org/ <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">MediaWiki </del>e-<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">postliste</del>]</div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div>*[https://<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">www</del>.mediawiki.org/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">wiki</del>/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Special</del>:<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">MyLanguage</del>/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Localisation</del>#<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Translation_resources Tilpass MediaWiki </del>for <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">ditt spr\u00e5k</del>]</div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== etterlysning av dikt. ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"\u2212\"></td><td class=\"diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted\"><div>*[<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">https</del>://www.<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">mediawiki</del>.<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">org</del>/wiki/<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Special</del>:<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">MyLanguage/Manual</del>:<del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Combating_spam L\u00e6r deg </del>\u00e5 beskytte <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">deg </del>mot <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">spam </del>p\u00e5 <del class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">wikien din</del>]</div></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><section end=kan noen hjelpe til med diktet\u00a0 hvor ofte skal gud takkes\u00a0 hvem har skrevet det .</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"> /></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== etterlysning av dikt. ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><section end</ins>=<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">kan noen hjelpe til med diktet\u00a0 hvor ofte skal gud takkes\u00a0 hvem har skrevet det .</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"> /></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Announcing Wikipedia 1.19 beta ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Wikimedia Foundation is getting ready to push out 1.19 to all the WMF-hosted wikis.\u00a0 As we finish wrapping up our code review, you can test the new version ''right now'' on [http://beta.wmflabs.org/ beta.wmflabs.org].\u00a0 For more information, please read the [https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES-1.19?view</ins>=<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">markup release notes] or the [[mw:MediaWiki_1.19|start of the final announcement]].</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The following are the areas that you will probably be most interested in:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* [https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33711#c2 Faster loading of javascript files makes dependency tracking more important.]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* New common*.css files usable by skins instead of having to copy piles of generic styles from MonoBook or Vector's css.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* The default user signature now contains a talk link in addition to the user link.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Searching blocked usernames in block log is now clearer.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Better timezone recognition in user preferences.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Improved diff readability for colorblind people.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* The interwiki links table can now be accessed also when the interwiki cache is used (used in the API and the Interwiki extension).</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* More gender support (for instance in logs and user lists).</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Language converter improved, e.g. it now works depending on the page content language.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Time and number-formatting magic words also now depend on the page content language.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Bidirectional support further improved after 1.18.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Report any [http://labs.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Problem_reports problems] on the labs beta wiki and we'll work to address them before they software is released to the production wikis.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">'''Note''' that this cluster does have SUL but it is not integrated with SUL in production, so you'll need to create another account.\u00a0 You should avoid using the same password as you use here.\u00a0 \u2014 [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]] 15. jan 2012 kl. 17:27 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0145 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Wsexport: an automatic export tool for Wikisource ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hello, and first sorry for this automatic delivery message.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">An export tool for Wikisource books, [[oldwikisource:Wikisource:WSexport|Wsexport]], is currently in active development. It is a tool for exporting Wikisource's texts in [[w:EPUB|EPUB]], [[w:OpenDocument|ODT]] and other file formats. It was created for French Wikisource, but it's also available for the other Wikisource subdomains. It can be used directly from its page on [http://toolserver.org/~tpt/wsexport/book.php Toolserver.org] (for texts in all languages, use \"www\" for oldwikisource), or browsing http://wsexport.fr.nf (currently only for French Wikisource's texts).</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">In order to work, the tool need some configuration from your Wikisource subdomain, [[oldwikisource:Wikisource:WSexport|This page]] explains how to do it. Currently French, Italian, English, and German Wikisource does it.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">You will find more information on [[oldwikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium#Wsexport_:_an_automatic_export_tool_for_Wikisource_fr|The global Scriptorium]]. Ask [[oldwikisource:Wikisource_talk:WSexport|here]] for all question.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">This message was distributed to all Wikisources using the [[:m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]] system. If you want to use it to send your messages, ask for permission [[:m:Talk:Global_message_delivery|here]].</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[:fr:Utilisateur:Tpt|Tpt]] ([[:fr:Discussion utilisateur:Tpt|d]]) 15. jan 2012 kl. 22:18 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0147 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== URAA ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Kommer URAA-beslutet att radera n\u00e5gra b\u00f6cker fr\u00e5n no.wikisource? Finns det behov att flytta n\u00e5got till Prosjekt Runeberg? --[[Bruker:LA2|LA2]] 19. jan 2012 kl. 13:25 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Slik jeg forst\u00e5r URAA, er det fire tekster p\u00e5 :no:s som faller innenfor (eller utenfor, alt etter som man ser det): [[Rasehygiene]], [[Rasehygiene (utdrag)]], [[Det norske program for rasehygiene]] og [[Fridtjof Nansens saga]]. S\u00e5vidt jeg kan se, er resten av tekstene v\u00e5re enten utgitt f\u00f8r 1923, eller PD-old. Er det behov for \u00e5 flytte dem til PR? Ja, </ins>i <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">den grad vi \u00f8nsker at disse skal v\u00e6re tilgjengelig p\u00e5 nettet inntil den gjenopprettede opphavsbeskyttelsen utg\u00e5r. 19. jan 2012 kl. 20:15 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== MediaWiki 1.19 ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">(Apologies if this message isn't in your language.) The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to upgrade MediaWiki (the software powering this wiki) to its latest version this month. You can help to test it before it is enabled, to avoid disruption and breakage. More information is available [[:mw:MediaWiki 1.19/Deployment announcement|in the full announcement]]. Thank you for your understanding.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[:m:user:guillom|Guillaume Paumier]], via the [[:m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery system]] <small>([[:m:Distribution list/Global message delivery|wrong page? You can fix it.]])</small>. 12. feb 2012 kl. 16:13 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0154 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Bot flag for GedawyBot </ins>==</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* '''Bot\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 : [[User:GedawyBot|GedawyBot]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>* <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">'''Operator'''\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 : </ins>[<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[w:ar:\u0645\u0633\u062a\u062e\u062f\u0645:\u0645\u062d\u0645\u062f \u0627\u0644\u062c\u062f\u0627\u0648\u064a|M.Gedawy]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* '''Programming Language(s)'''\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 : Python (pywikipedia)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* '''Function Summary'''\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 : Interwiki</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* '''Contributions'''\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 : [[Special:Contributions/GedawyBot|see here]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* '''Already has bot flag on'''\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 : [http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=GedawyBot +150 wikis]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">I will make another request on meta. Thank you.--[[User:\u0645\u062d\u0645\u062f \u0627\u0644\u062c\u062f\u0627\u0648\u064a|M.Gedawy]] 16. feb 2012 kl. 16:47 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Hi, I want to make another function please: I want to use my bot to welcome new users by creating their talk pages with <code><nowiki>{{subst:velkommen|~~~~}}</nowiki></code><br /></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">: I'll use a modified script from [http</ins>://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Manual:Pywikipediabot/welcome.py Welcome.py]. My bot already does this function on Arabic wikis (See [http://ar.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:Sheyxali&oldid=134508 this] for an example). I'll start this function if there was no opposition after a week. Best regards.--[[User:\u0645\u062d\u0645\u062f \u0627\u0644\u062c\u062f\u0627\u0648\u064a|M.Gedawy]] 11. mar 2012 kl. 03:59 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Ole Jacob Broch ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hittat en kul mattebok av [[Author:Ole Jacob Broch|Ole Jacob Broch]]: [[Den h\u00f6iere matematik]] fr\u00e5n 1861, utgiven i Christiania (Oslo). </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Det ser inte ut att vara n\u00e5gon l\u00e4tt bok att l\u00e4gga in med alla matematik-formler, men vem har sagt att det ska vara l\u00e4tt...</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">F\u00f6rst vill jag f\u00f6rs\u00e4kra mig om att den passar h\u00e4r och inte p\u00e5 da:, (Jag ser inte alltid skillnad p\u00e5 norsk och dansk) och sedan vill jag h\u00f6ra om ni ser ngn version p\u00e5 n\u00e4tet av boken, som redan \u00e4r skannad och f\u00e4rdig att ladda upp? SJ\u00e4lv har jag ingen m\u00f6jlighet att ladda upp ngn djvu eller pdf, utan det blir i s\u00e5 fall cirka 240 jpg-filer...</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Sedan kommer det med all s\u00e4kerhet att ta sin lilla tid, men det g\u00f6r inget... -- [[Bruker:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lavallen|diskusjon]]) 27. feb 2012 kl. 17:18 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:\u00abAlt\u00bb som er utgitt i Norge, ansees for \u00e5 v\u00e6re \u00abnorsk\u00bb. Broch er videre f\u00f8dt i Norge, og jobbet ved Universitetet i Kristiania, s\u00e5 den boken faller helt klart innenfor rammene for dette prosjektet. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:NBD har en bok av omtalte forfatter som heter [http://urn.nb.no/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2008060412001 Forel\u00e6sninger over den h\u00f6iere matematik], utgitt 1861. Hvis det er denne boken nevner, s\u00e5 er den allerede scannet, og det er bare \u00e5 laste den ned, for s\u00e5 \u00e5 laste den opp til Commons. ;-) [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 27. feb 2012 kl. 18:40 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Ja, \"Forel\u00e6sninger over\" stod det visst ocks\u00e5... -- [[Bruker:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lavallen|diskusjon]]) 28. feb 2012 kl. 09:00 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Emner ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jeg tenkte at det kanskje ville v\u00e6rt ryddigere om vi tok de emnene vi n\u00e5 har, og flyttet dem fra prosjektnavnerommet til Portalnavnerommet. Slik vi bruker emner n\u00e5, er de jo tross alt mer portaler enn noe annet. F.eks. flyttes da [[Wikikilden:Grunnloven]] til [[Portal:Grunnloven]] og [[Wikikilden:Spr\u00e5k]] til [[Portal:Spr\u00e5k]]. En del andre tekster, som n\u00e5 er i hovednavnerommet kunne ogs\u00e5 med fordel flyttes p\u00e5 den m\u00e5ten, f.eks. [[Slaget ved Alv\u00f8en]] flyttes til [[Portal:Slaget ved Alv\u00f8en]] og [[Bibelen]] (og de separate undersidene for bibelske b\u00f8ker) flyttes til [[Portal:Bibelen]]. Kva tykkjer dykk om det? [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 5. mar 2012 kl. 17:48 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Ja det virker som en god id\u00e9. Engelsk wikisource ser ut til \u00e5 ha valgt en slik fremgangsm\u00e5te. ([[:en:Portal:Portals]]) Flere emnesider vil gj\u00f8re det mye lettere \u00e5 bevege seg rundt p\u00e5 Wikikilden. Kategorisystemet v\u00e5rt er jo ikke s\u00e6rlig velutviklet. [[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:K\u00e5re-Olav|diskusjon]]) 5. mar 2012 kl. 21:01 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Jeg tenker at de to (kategorier og portaler) har forskjellige funksjoner og komplementerer hverandre. Forel\u00f8big tror jeg vi er beskjemmet av at vi har s\u00e5 f\u00e5 tekster, og at disse handler om s\u00e5 mange forskjellige emner (osv.) at uansett hva slags system vi lager, blir det rart. [[Wikikilden:Grunnloven]] har, f.eks. bare fire tekster p\u00e5 seg. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Men, jeg foresl\u00e5r at vi ber Bugzilla opprette :Portal:-navnerommet, og deretter begynne \u00e5 flytte de nevnte sidene over til dette NS. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 7. mar 2012 kl. 19:16 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">==Survey invitation==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">First, I apologize that part of this message is in English. If you can assist by translating it for your local community, I would greatly appreciate it.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The Wikimedia Foundation would like to invite you to take part in a brief survey.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Med denne rundsp\u00f8rringen h\u00e5per Wikimedia-stiftelsen \u00e5 kunne finne ut av hvilke ressurser wikimedianerne \u00f8nsker og beh\u00f8ver (noe kan kreve finansielle midler) og hvordan de skal prioriteres. Ikke alle programmer fra stiftelsen er med her (kjerneoppgaverne er s\u00e6rlig unntatt) \u2013 det behandles kun ressurser som individuelle bidragsytere eller organisasjoner som er tilknyttet Wikimedia, som lokalavdelinger, kan s\u00f8ke om.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">M\u00e5let er her \u00e5 identifisere, hva DU (eller grupper som lokalavdelinger eller klubber) kunne v\u00e6re interessert i og \u00e5 oppstille muligheterne etter forkj\u00e6rlighet. Vi har p\u00e5 denne listen ikke inkludert ting som \"holde serverne kj\u00f8rende\", fordi de ikke er individuelle bidragsyteres eller frivillige organisasjoners ansvar. Denne rundsp\u00f8rringen har til hensikt \u00e5 fortelle oss, hvilke prioriteringer av midlerne bidragsyterne stemmer overens med eller ikke.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">To read more about the survey, and to take part, please visit [//wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_070JzrhGl15ijnS the survey page]. You may select the language in which to take the survey with the pull-down menu at the top.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">This invitation is being sent only to those projects where the survey has been translated in full or in majority into your language. It is, however, open to any contributor from any project. Please feel free to share the link with other Wikimedians and to invite their participation. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">If you have any questions for me, please address them to my talk page, since I won\u2019t be able to keep an eye at every point where I place the notice.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Thank you! --[[Bruker:Mdennis (WMF)|Mdennis (WMF)]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Mdennis (WMF)|diskusjon]]) 6. mar 2012 kl. 19:45 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Tiltalebeslutningen mot Breivik ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Er det OK \u00e5 publisere tiltalebeslutningen i Breivik-saken her? {{usignert|188.151.24.50}}</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:F\u00f8rst, dersom det skal publiseres, m\u00e5 det gj\u00f8res i henhold til Wikikildens retningslinjer. Dvs. at dokumentet scannes inn og lastes opp p\u00e5 Commons, slik at vi kan lage en Indeks-side her som kan brukes til korrekturlesning. [[Hjelp:Korrekturlesing]] forteller deg mer om hvordan dette fungerer. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Dernest: Sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om teksten kan legges inn her, er et sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om tiltalebeslutningen er ''fri''. Fri vil si at tiden for opphavsbeskyttelse er utg\u00e5tt (vanligvis 70 \u00e5r etter opphavsmannens d\u00f8d) eller at teksten er blitt gitt ut under en fri lisens (teksten kan brukes fritt, av hvem som helst, til hvilket som helst form\u00e5l). Tiltalebeslutningen ser ut til \u00e5 falle under \u00abVerk av det offentlige\u00bb, som er unntatt opphavsbestemmelser. (For mer informasjon, se lisensmalen [[:Commons:Template:PD-NorwayGov|Template:PD-NorwayGov]] p\u00e5 Commons.) Kan tiltalebeslutningen passe inn under det som er definert uten vern i loven: \u00abLover, forskrifter, rettsavgj\u00f8relser og andre vedtak av offentlig myndighet er uten vern.\u00bb? En tiltalebeslutning er tross alt ikke en rettsavgj\u00f8relse. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 7. mar 2012 kl. 19:32 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Skrivfel ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">I [[Side:Forel\u00e6sninger over den h\u00f6iere mathematik.pdf/12]] finns det en formel l\u00e4ngst upp som jag tolkar som:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><math>f(x) = x_n^{n-1} + A_1x^{n-2} + A_2x^{n-3} + A_3x^{n-4} + \\dots + A_nx^n,</math></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">men det blir matematiskt galet mot f\u00f6reg\u00e5ende sida och resonemanget som f\u00f6ljer p\u00e5 samma side.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Ist\u00e4llet tolkar jag det som att det ska st\u00e5:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><math>f(x) = x^n + A_1x^{n-1} + A_2x^{n-2} + A_3x^{n-3} + \\dots + A_nx^0,</math></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Finns det ngn policy h\u00e4r p\u00e5 no:wikikilden emot att r\u00e4tta vad som troligen \u00e4r en feltolkning av f\u00f6rfattarens manus?\u00a0 -- [[Bruker:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lavallen|diskusjon]]) 16. mar 2012 kl. 11:37 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Det er tilsvarende som p\u00e5 :sv: Vi bruker malene [[Mal:Rettelse]] og [[Mal:Korreksjon]]. Rettelse brukes der vi som korrekturleser finner en feil og retter den, mens Korreksjon brukes for \u00e5 endre skrivefeil i tr\u00e5d med en liste over Korreksjoner/Trykkfeil som er oppgitt i boken. Det er ikke snakk om noen ''policy'', det er snarere en ''ad hoc'' l\u00f8sning, men den brukes hyppig. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 16. mar 2012 kl. 15:19 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Det \u00e4r nog i praktiken s\u00e5 att det finns en policy p\u00e5 sv: att man ''f\u00e5r'' korrigera ett uppenbart fel (men ingen om att man ''m\u00e5ste''), men ingen policy att man ''m\u00e5ste'' anv\u00e4nda en mal. I Fjellstedt finns tex ofta felen i samband med h\u00e4nvisningar, och d\u00e4r \u00e4r det ofta ol\u00e4mpligt att s\u00e4tta in en rettelse-mal. -- [[Bruker:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lavallen|diskusjon]]) 16. mar 2012 kl. 15:55 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== E-b\u00f8ker ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jeg fors\u00f8kte \u00e5 oppdatere header-malen slik at det blir mulig \u00e5 eksportere e-b\u00f8ker (se [http://toolserver.org/~tpt/wsexport/book.php]), og valgte da for enkelthets skyld \u00e5 kopiere den tilsvarende malen fra fr.wikisource. Etter \u00e5 ha tatt et par stikkpr\u00f8ver ser det ikke ut som om noe gikk galt, men hvis noen oppdager noe, gi beskjed. [[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:K\u00e5re-Olav|diskusjon]]) 21. mar 2012 kl. 18:12 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== TeX ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jag f\u00f6rs\u00f6ker fixa ngt f\u00f6r [[Side:Forel\u00e6sninger over den h\u00f6iere mathematik.pdf/13]], men tabellen i mitten ger mig lite problem. P\u00e5 [[Bruker:Lavallen/Tabellvariant]] har jag \u00f6verst gjort en kopia p\u00e5 det som ligger i Siden nu, och under en annan variant som inneh\u00e5ller tabellformat ocks\u00e5. Jag tycker nog det ser mer likt boksidan i tabellvarianten, men jag f\u00e5r inte riktigt till \u00f6vre v\u00e4nstre h\u00f6rnet...</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">N\u00e5gra ideer? -- [[Bruker:Lavallen|Lavallen]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lavallen|diskusjon]]) 24. mar 2012 kl. 20:58 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Nordahl Grieg ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Om jeg har forst\u00e5tt reglene for n\u00e5r [http://blogg.torvund.net/2012/01/10/nar-et-verk-faller-i-det-fri/ verk faller i fri] korrekt s\u00e5 vil [http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordahl_Grieg Nordahl Griegs] verk bli frie 1. januar 2014, i og med at han ble drept 2. desember 1943. Jeg er en stor, men kritisk beundrer av hans verk\u00a0 og virke og jeg vil gjerne bidra til at de er s\u00e5 tilgjengelige som mulig.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hva om vi organiserer et arbeid s\u00e5 alt av hans verk - absolutt alt, er ferdig tastet inn s\u00e5 det med ett slag kan legges ut her ved midnatt 1. januar 2014? Jeg vil bidra til \u00e5 realisere et slikt prosjekt, og mediemessig kan det ogs\u00e5 kanskje gi noe omtale, i og med at alt blir gjort tilgjengelig p\u00e5 en gang. Dersom det er et krav at tekst skal underbygges ved skannede versjoner av samme s\u00e5 kan jeg gjerne bidra til dette. mvh - [[Bruker:Ulflarsen|Ulflarsen]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ulflarsen|diskusjon]]) 29. apr 2012 kl. 11:25 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Hei, det er riktig at N. G. faller i det fri 1. januar 2014. [M\u00e5 likevel skyte inn en liten advarsel. Wikimedia-serverne st\u00e5r nemlig i USA, hvor det er andre regler (1922-regelen) som gjelder. Det foreg\u00e5r en [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/All_files_copyrighted_in_the_US_under_the_URAA debatt] om hvorvidt de amerikanske eller de lokale opphavsrettsreglene skal gjelde for de ulike wikiene, og Wikikilden m\u00e5 antakelig rette seg etter det som blir bestemt av Wikimedia-stiftelsen.] Ellers tror jeg\u00a0 nok det er urealistisk \u00e5 f\u00e5 alle N. G.-verkene ''ferdige'' til 1. januar 2014, ettersom arbeidsmetoden v\u00e5r jo forutsetter at b\u00f8kene er scannet inn og lagt p\u00e5 Commons. Med mindre du har tenkt \u00e5 korrekturlese alt alene... Da tror jeg det ville v\u00e6re mer realistisk dersom du satte deg fore \u00e5 scanne inn disse verkene frem mot 1. januar 2014, slik at arbeidet med korrekturlesningen kunne begynne fra den dagen. Til slutt kan jeg opplyse at vi ikke taster inn tekstene v\u00e5re, vi kj\u00f8rer automatisk tekstgjenkjenning p\u00e5 scannede bilder av teksten og retter de eventuelle feilene som m\u00e5tte ha oppst\u00e5tt. Det er langt mer effektivt... \u00a0[[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:K\u00e5re-Olav|diskusjon]]) 29. apr 2012 kl. 22:38 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:: Ok - da avventer jeg inntil diskusjonen du nevnte har konkludert. Jeg kan gjerne bidra med skanning, om det er noen tips om hvordan det gj\u00f8res mest effektivt s\u00e5 tar jeg gjerne mot det. mvh [[Bruker:Ulflarsen|Ulflarsen]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Ulflarsen|diskusjon]]) 30. apr 2012 kl. 15:55 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Jeg synes dette er et godt initiativ, til tross for vanskeligheter vis-\u00e0-vis URAA. (Jeg har lagt merke til at mange norske b\u00f8ker har en engelsk Copyright-notice, og dette relaterer tilbake til URAA og hvorvidt den forlengede opphavsretten da gjelder, men uten at jeg husker hvordan dette fungerer.) En m\u00e5te \u00e5 synliggj\u00f8re Wikikilden p\u00e5, ville nettopp v\u00e6re \u00e5 \u00abhenge oss p\u00e5\u00bb slike jubil\u00e9er, enten det er for forfatteren, eller utgivelsen av en bok. VG hadde nylig en artikkel om at det er oss, dugnadsfolket, som er p\u00e5driverne for at PD-tekst skal bli allment tilgjengelig: [http://www.vg.no/dinepenger/artikkel.php?artid=10065354] (men de nevner bare Gutenberg, og ikke oss).</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Hovedproblemet for oss, er som K-O skriver hvor raskt det vil v\u00e6re mulig \u00e5 f\u00e5 ferdig transkripsjonen av verkene. Det du foresl\u00e5r med at alle tekstene legges ut, helt ferdige den 1.1.2014, kl. 00.01 vil ikke la seg gj\u00f8re, siden vi m\u00e5 ha tekstene p\u00e5 Commons for \u00e5 kunne jobbe med dem. Men det hadde kanskje g\u00e5tt an \u00e5 gj\u00f8re noe annet. Det bryter jo litt med wiki-modellen, men man kan jo tenke seg en off-wiki \u00abarbeidsgruppe\u00bb som gjorde teksten klar fram mot 1.1.2014, f.eks. p\u00e5 e-post, og s\u00e5 raskt som mulig etter det, ble den teksten arbeidsgruppen hadde korrekturlest gjort tilgjengelig for allmennheten. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Uansett, er den store b\u00f8ygen (forel\u00f8big) scanning, s\u00e5 hvis vi (du?) kunne f\u00e5tt det unnagjort, s\u00e5 er vi klare til \u00e5 begynne korrekturlesningen, uavhengig av om vi m\u00e5 vente til 2014 eller om det gj\u00f8res f\u00f8r p\u00e5 e-post. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 30. apr 2012 kl. 21:05 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::::Veldig bra initiativ, dette burde gi en mulighet til litt mer oppmerksomhet om Wikikilden. S\u00e5 jeg er klar til \u00e5 bidra med korrekturlesing n\u00e5r scannede tekster foreligger. --[[Bruker:Kaitil|Kaitil]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Kaitil|diskusjon]]) 30. apr 2012 kl. 23:06 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::::En mulighet er \u00e5 bruke [http://www.wikilivres.ca Wikilivres] til dette prosjektet. Wikilivres er, som suffikset tilsier, basert i Canada, der opphavsretten utl\u00f8per kun 50 \u00e5r etter opphavsmannens d\u00f8d. Selv om Wikilivres ikke er en del av Wikimedia, baserer den seg p\u00e5 \u00e5 v\u00e6re et ''supplement'' til Wikikilden, s\u00e5 det vil v\u00e6re naturlig at straks verk som finnes der (i dette tilfellet Griegs verker), overf\u00f8res til Wikikilden. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::::Jeg har aldri bidratt s\u00e6rlig mye der, og jeg har heller ikke v\u00e6rt borti verk som er blitt overf\u00f8rt derfra til WK, s\u00e5 jeg vet ikke hvordan det ville blitt gjort, men jeg antar at slike verk flyttes fra Wikilivres til Wikikilden, og deretter slettes fra Wikilivres, med en henvisning hit. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 11. mai 2012 kl. 21:34 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Rettssak i 1691 ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hei!</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">I forbindelse med slektsgranskning har jeg f\u00e5tt et dokument av en slektning. Det er en kopi av en renskriving p\u00e5 skrivemaskin p\u00e5 \u00e5ttitallet av en slektsgransker. Selve dokumentet er fra tingb\u00f8kene fra 1690-\u00e5rene, som jeg ikke har sett selv, der en bonde i Fl\u00e5 i Hallingdal blir d\u00f8mt for \u00e5 ha drept sin kone ved drukning. Siden jeg hadde \u00f8nske om \u00e5 lette spr\u00e5ket til bruk i min egen slektssamling (jeg er direkte etterkommer av morderen, og sikkert ikke alene om det!) har jeg lagt den inn p\u00e5 pc'en p\u00e5 originalspr\u00e5k. Historien i seg selv er spennende som en krimroman og vitnesbyrd forteller om ektemannens grusomheter mot kona. En mengde tidstypiske trekk kommer fram; overtro, skikker og formelt spr\u00e5k, for \u00e5 nevne noe. Er dette noe som kan v\u00e6re interessant for Wikikilden? Burde jeg kanskje s\u00f8ke de originale kildene for \u00e5 se om jeg kan tyde de f\u00e5 ordene som mangler?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jeg har aldri lagt inn en tekst selv hverken her eller p\u00e5 Wikipedia, og tar gjerne i mot tips.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Mvh L. Engelsgaard</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Hei, vi er i utgangspunktet ikke interessert i privatsaker, men siden dette stammer fra en offentlig tingbok og dermed kan betraktes som et historisk dokument, faller det antakelig s\u00e5 vidt innenfor [[Wikikilden:Hva er Wikikilden?|omr\u00e5det v\u00e5rt]]. Hvis du skal legge det inn, m\u00e5 du i alle fall ta utgangspunkt i originaldokumentet, for vi har som prinsipp at vi alltid m\u00e5 kunne begrunne teksten med et innscannet originaldokument. Kan det stamme fra en av tingb\u00f8kene som ligger [http://arkivverket.no/URN:rg_read/search/?rettsinstans=ur&fylke=06&embete=Ringerike+og+Hallingdal+sorenskriveri&protokoll=TBOK&periode=&navn= her]? Uansett vil jeg anbefale deg \u00e5 sette deg litt inn i hvordan Wikikilden fungerer, kanskje fors\u00f8ke \u00e5 korrekturlese noen sider fra en enkel tekst. (Se. f.eks. [[:Kategori:Indekser som m\u00e5 valideres]] for tekster som allerede er blitt sett over \u00e9n gang). Hjelpesiden [[Hjelp:Korrekturlesing]] kan nok v\u00e6re et lurt sted \u00e5 begynne, og ellers kan du stille sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l p\u00e5 denne siden hvis du lurer p\u00e5 noe. [[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:K\u00e5re-Olav|diskusjon]]) 5. mai 2012 kl. 10:33 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Dagb\u00f8kene til Torgeir M\u00f8kleby og Harald Simonsen ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Har noen mulighet til \u00e5 finne og scanne dagb\u00f8kene til disse to? Begge omkom i juni 1922 i en sn\u00f8hule p\u00e5 Svalbard, etter \u00e5 ha ventet fire m\u00e5neder i is\u00f8det p\u00e5 hjelp. Hele tiden skrev de dagbok, og disse ble funnet \u00e5ret etter. S\u00e5 vidt jeg kunne se hadde ikke Wikipedia noe artikkel om denne tragedien. --Anders J. 17. mai 2012 kl. 00:03 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:I utgangspunktet, ser det ut som om disse skulle v\u00e6re falt i det fri. F.eks. er Simonsens bok [http://ask.bibsys.no/ask/action/show?pid=060205415&kid=biblio oppf\u00f8rt i Bibsys], men de ser ikke ut til \u00e5 kunne lastes ned. Hvorvidt noen har anledning til \u00e5 scanne b\u00f8kene er selvsagt uvisst. Stort sett baserer vi oss p\u00e5 'annenh\u00e5ndsscans': Alts\u00e5 scans som andre instanser st\u00e5r bak, henholdsvis Google Books og Bokhylla.no. Det er ikke noe prinsipielt i dette, men det er det letteste. Hvis noen har anledning til \u00e5 finne disse b\u00f8kene, s\u00e5 er det klart at det hadde v\u00e6rt noe \u00e5 gj\u00f8re. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 2. jun 2012 kl. 19:34 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::[http://carl.npolar.no/seksjoner/Kilder Jeg fant, jeg fant]. Jeg tror det kan v\u00e6re vanskelig \u00e5 f\u00e5 kj\u00f8rt en ordentlig OCR, men det er ikke mer enn 35 sider. --Anders J. 3. jun 2012 kl. 11:44 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Gratulerer og lykke til med korrekturen! Er det noe du lurer p\u00e5, m\u00e5 du bare sp\u00f8rre. Slik jeg forst\u00e5r det, er den dagboken til ''Harald Simonsen'', og ikke til ''M\u00f8kleby'', men jeg skal ikke insistere p\u00e5 den tolkningen. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 4. jun 2012 kl. 09:22 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Det eneste du gjerne burde gjort annerledes var \u00e5 laste opp PDF-en p\u00e5 Commons, fremfor her p\u00e5 Wikikilden. Men den kan jo lett overf\u00f8res dit. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 4. jun 2012 kl. 09:33 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::::Det er nok Simonsens dagbok, men den er et sted underskrevet \"M\u00f8kleby Simonsen\", og et sted \"Simonsen og M\u00f8kleby-expeditionens deltagere\". Ang\u00e5ende Commons, s\u00e5 visste jeg ikke hvor jeg skulle laste opp. Jeg ser n\u00e5 at det st\u00e5r nevnt her, men ellers fant jeg lite hjelp i Hjelp-sidene. Kanskje man b\u00f8r ta seg en \u00f8kt der. N\u00e5r det gjelder transkribering, n\u00e5r det i kildedokumentet ikke brukes mellomrom etter punktum noen steder, skal man f\u00f8lge den praksisen? --[[Spesial:Bidrag/84.202.238.179|84.202.238.179]] 6. jun 2012 kl. 22:37 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::::N\u00e5 b\u00e6rer jo det dokumentet veldig preg av \u00e5 ha blitt transkribert ganske raskt av en som ikke var en mester p\u00e5 skrivemaskin, s\u00e5 jeg tror at det \u00e5 legge inn et mellomrom mellom punktum og det f\u00f8rste ordet i neste setning vil v\u00e6re helt p\u00e5 sin plass. Det vil gj\u00f8re det lettere \u00e5 lese den digitale teksten. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 8. jun 2012 kl. 08:00 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Update on IPv6 ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg|80px|right]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">(Apologies if this message isn't in your language. Please consider translating it, as well as '''[[m:</ins>Special:MyLanguage/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">IPv6 initiative/2012 IPv6 Day announcement|the full version of this announcement on Meta]]''') </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to do limited testing of IPv6 on June 2-3. If there are not too many problems, we may fully enable IPv6 on [http://www.worldipv6day.org/ World IPv6 day] (June 6), and keep it enabled.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">What this means for your project:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*At least on June 2-3, 2012, you may see a small number of edits from IPv6 addresses, which are in the form \"<code>2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334</code>\". See e.g. [[w:en:IPv6 address]]. These addresses should behave like any other IP address: You can leave messages on their talk pages; you can track their contributions; you can block them. (See [[m:Special</ins>:<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">MyLanguage/IPv6 initiative/2012 IPv6 Day announcement|the full version of this announcement</ins>]<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">] for notes on range blocks.)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>*<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">In the mid term, some user scripts and tools will need to be adapted for IPv6. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*We suspect that IPv6 usage is going to be very low initially, meaning that abuse should be manageable, and we will assist in the monitoring of the situation.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Read [[m:Special:MyLanguage/IPv6 initiative/2012 IPv6 Day announcement|the full version of this announcement]] on how to test the behavior of IPv6 with various tools and how to leave bug reports, and to find a fuller analysis of the implications of the IPv6 migration.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">--[</ins>[<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">m:User:Eloquence|Erik M\u00f6ller, VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation]] 2. jun 2012 kl. 03:16 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>Distributed via [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]]. (Wrong page? [[m:Distribution list/Global message delivery|Fix here]].)</small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0201 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== 2011 Picture of the Year competition ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>[[:commons:Commons:Picture of the Year/2011/Translations/mk|{{#language:mk}}]] \u2022 [[:commons:Commons:Picture of the Year/2011/Translations/no|{{#language:no}}]] \u2022 [[:commons:Commons</ins>:<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Picture of the Year/2011</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Translations</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">pl|{{#language:pl}}]]</small> </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Dear Wikimedians,</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Wikimedia Commons is happy to announce that the ''2011 Picture of the Year competition'' is now open. We are interested in your opinion as to which images qualify to be the ''Picture of the Year 2011''</ins>. <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Any user registered at Commons or a Wikimedia wiki SUL-related to Commons [//toolserver</ins>.org/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">~pathoschild/accounteligibility/?user=&</ins>wiki<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">=&event=24 with more than 75 edits before 1 April 2012 (UTC)] is welcome to vote and, of course everyone is welcome to view!</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Detailed information about the contest can be found [[:commons:Commons:Picture of the Year/2011/Introduction|at the introductory page]].</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">About 600 of the best of Wikimedia Common's photos, animations, movies and graphics were chosen &ndash;by the international Wikimedia Commons community&ndash; out of 12 million files during ''2011'' and are now called ''Featured Pictures''.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">From professional animal and plant shots to breathtaking panoramas and skylines, restorations of historically relevant images, images portraying the world's best architecture, maps, emblems, diagrams created with the most modern technology, and impressive human portraits, Commons ''Features Pictures'' of all flavors.\u00a0 </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">For your convenience, we have sorted the images [[:commons:Commons:Picture of the Year/2011/Galleries|into topic categories]]. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">We regret that you receive this message in English; we intended to use banners to notify you in your native language but there was both, human and technical resistance.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">See you on Commons!</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">--[[:commons:Commons:Picture of the Year/2011/Committee|Picture of the Year 2011 Committee]] 5. jun 2012 kl. 20:33 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>Distributed via [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]]. (Wrong page? [[m:Distribution list</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Global message delivery|Fix here]].)</small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0205 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Mobile view as default view coming soon ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg|80px|right]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">''(Apologies if this message isn't in your language. Please consider translating it, as well as the [[m:</ins>Special:MyLanguage/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Mobile Projects/Mobile Gateway/Mobile homepage formatting|instructions on Meta]])'' </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The mobile view of this project and others will soon become the default view on mobile devices (except tablets). Some language versions of these projects currently show no content on the mobile home page, and it is a good time to do a little formatting so users get a mobile-friendly view, or to add to existing mobile content if some already exists.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">If you are an administrator, please consider helping with this change. There are [[m:Mobile Projects/Mobile Gateway/Mobile homepage formatting|instructions]] which are being translated. The proposed date of switching the default view is June 21.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">To contact the mobile team, email <tt>mobile-feedback-l[[File:At_sign.svg|17px]]lists.wikimedia.org</tt>.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">--[[m:User:Pchang|Phil Inje Chang, Product Manager, Mobile, Wikimedia Foundation]] 16. jun 2012 kl. 10:33 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>Distributed via [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]]. (Wrong page? [[m:Distribution list/Global message delivery|Fix here]].)</small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0214 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Lenking viktigere enn det visuelle ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Dette gjelder tekster hvor det ikke finnes noen innholdsliste \u00e5 transkludere. Jeg vet ikke om dere er enige, men etter min mening er det viktigere \u00e5 kunne man\u00f8vrere seg kjapt dit man vil i teksten, enn at teksten ser pen ut. I f.eks. [[Kr\u00f8niken om Hr. Villum]] ville jeg derfor foretrekke at forsiden presenterte innholdsfortegnelsen (fra indekssiden) fremfor tittelbladet, selv om tittelbladet ser fint ut. Slik det er n\u00e5, er det jo sv\u00e6rt vanskelig \u00e5 navigere seg fra forsiden til f.eks. kapittel XII (man m\u00e5 klikke seg videre ''sv\u00e6rt'' mange ganger). Innholdet p\u00e5 tittelsiden gjenfinnes i headeren, s\u00e5 det vil ikke v\u00e6re noe stort tap om denne ikke transkludres (bortsett fra det visuelle, naturligvis). Det er ogs\u00e5 mulig \u00e5 transkludere begge deler, vha. <tt>header=toc</tt>, selv om det ser lit kl\u00f8nete ut. [[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:K\u00e5re-Olav|diskusjon]]) 18. jun 2012 kl. 21:29 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::En annen mulighet er det vi har for [[Sne]], der innholdet er kodet under dedikasjonen. Ulempen med dette, er at innholdet havner under den nederste navigasjonslenken. Eventuelt kan vi gj\u00f8re som i [[Jesus Messias]] der det ikke er noe hodet, bare transklusjon av tittelsiden og deretter innhold. I begge tilfeller er ''toc'' hardkodet og ikke transkludert. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 21. jun 2012 kl. 10:29 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Aktuelle tekster for Wikikilden? ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jeg har laget en del eb\u00f8ker basert p\u00e5 pdf-filer fra bokhylla.no. Teksten har jeg fors\u00f8kt \u00e5 korrekturlese etter beste evne, men det er alltid begrenset hva ett par \u00f8yne f\u00e5r til...</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jeg lurte p\u00e5 om det var interesse for \u00e5 f\u00e5 lagt ut tekstene her p\u00e5 wikikilden i tillegg, slik at flere kan delta i forbedringen?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hvis s\u00e5 er tilfelle, s\u00e5 er det noen tekniske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om hvorledes de kan konverteres til wikikildens korrekturformat. Jeg har tekstene liggende p\u00e5 et mellomformat i tillegg til den endelige ebok-versjonen. Dette mellomformatet:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Har informasjon om sidebryting.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Linjebryting er beholdt, men delte ord er kombinert p\u00e5 etterf\u00f8lgende linje.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Fotnoter befinner seg i sin opprinnelige posisjon nederst p\u00e5 tilh\u00f8rende sider, medmindre de har v\u00e6rt delt over flere sider; da er de samlet p\u00e5 siden de begynner p\u00e5.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Tekst er kursivert o.l. ihht kilden.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Kapitteloverskrifter, hode/fottekst, fotnoter o.l er tagget ihht. hjemmesnekret markup.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">F\u00f8lgende b\u00f8ker er hentet fra bokhylla.no:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Stein Riverton: Jernvognen</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Stein Riverton: Fjerdemand</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Sven Elvestad: De fortaptes hus</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Fridtjof Nansen: Friluftsliv</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Fridtjof Nansen: Fram over Polhavet, 1942 utgaven</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Roald Amundsen: Sydpolen</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Bernt Lie: Sorte \u00d8rn</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Rasmus L\u00f8land: Det store nashornet</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Eb\u00f8kene er lagt ut p\u00e5 nettstedet www.mobileread.com, og er ogs\u00e5 tilgjengelig via http://ubuntuone.com/0mr1yWBiej3RF5HNyZ3qKG</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Hei Lars! (Regner med at du er Lars omtalt p\u00e5 den nettsiden.)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Wikikilden har tekster som er falt i det fri, og vi vil gjerne ha tekstene dine! Som du sier, s\u00e5 er formatet v\u00e5rt litt anderledes enn e-pub. Jeg regner med at du allerede vet en del om Wikikilden, siden du kommer hit, men kort fortalt, s\u00e5 har vi \u00abto utgaver\u00bb av hver tekst: Den ene er innskannede b\u00f8ker (som fra Bokhylla) som vi s\u00e5 bruker til \u00e5 korrekturlese den utgaven av teksten som folk kan lese, nemlig rentekst. Du kan lese mer om korrekturlesning p\u00e5 [[Hjelp:Korrekturlesing]].</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:For dine tekster, m\u00e5 vi alts\u00e5 f\u00e5 tak i scannede utgaver av b\u00f8kene, og vi m\u00e5 laste dem opp til [[:Commons:|Commons]]. Vanligvis bruker vi .djvu filformatet til det. Du kan enten gj\u00f8re dette selv, eller s\u00e5 kan noen fra Wikikilden gj\u00f8re det. (Hvis du har direktelenker til b\u00f8kene vil det v\u00e6re en stor hjelp.) Deretter oppretter vi en indeks-side for hver tekst, og s\u00e5 kan vi splitte teksten du allerede har korrekturlest slik at den blir jamf\u00f8rt side for side med den innscannede teksten. (Dette kan gj\u00f8res manuelt, som tar lang tid, eller vi kan bruke et script til \u00e5 gj\u00f8re det for oss.) Deretter kan korrekturlesningen begynne!</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Det ser ut til at det du \u00f2g har lyst til, er \u00e5 formattere teksten korrekt ''f\u00f8r'' vi begynner \u00e5 splitte den. For meg virker dette mellomformatet ditt som en god start, selv om det kanskje er noe anderledes enn det som brukes her p\u00e5 Wikikilden. (Du bruker gjerne riktekst, mens vi bruker rentekst.) Jeg ser for meg f\u00f8lgende endringer: </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:*''kursiv'' tekst markeres i Wiki-markup med <nowiki>''kursiv tekst''</nowiki> (doble ASCII-apostrofer), '''fet tekst''' med <nowiki>'''fet tekst'''</nowiki> (tredoble ASCII-apostrofer). </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>:<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*hodetekst legges inn i malen {{mal|hode}}. </ins>Ofte <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">best\u00e5r hodet av bokens tittel og sidetall (som st\u00e5r ytterst p\u00e5 siden). I slike tilfeller skriver man (f.eks.) <nowiki>{{hode|18|Fram over Polhavet|}} {{hode||Fram over Polhavet|19}}</nowiki>. Som du ser, har malen tre felt, hvert felt representerer tekst (p\u00e5 samme linje) som er venstrestilt, midtstilt og h\u00f8yrestilt. (Selv om malen heter \u00abhode\u00bb, kan den ogs\u00e5 benyttes nederst p\u00e5 siden. Dersom hodet (eller foten) best\u00e5r av et enkelt element, f.eks. midstilt sidetall, kan man bruke <nowiki><center></center></nowiki> istedenfor malen.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:*Fotnoter markeres med <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> i teksten, f.eks. slik: <tt><nowiki>tekst tekst tekst<ref>fotnote fotnote</ref> tekst fortsetter tekst fortsetter.</nowiki></tt> For mer informasjon, inkludert fotnoter som g\u00e5r over flere sider, se [[Hjelp:Fotnoter]]. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Hvis du vil, kan du legge inn tekstene dine, i mellomformat, p\u00e5 midlertidige sider. Siden du enda ikke har registret deg, kan du bruke mitt navnerom. F.eks. [[Bruker:V85/Jernvognen]], [[Bruker:V85/Fjerdemand]], [[Bruker:V85/De fortaptes hus]], [[Bruker:V85/Friluftsliv]], [[Bruker:V85/Fram]], [[Bruker:V85/Sydpolen]], [[Bruker:V85/Sorte \u00d8rn]], [[Bruker:V85/Nashornet]].</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Vi ser fremt il \u00e5 samarbeide med deg! [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 27. jun 2012 kl. 06:40 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Da var jeg registrert som bruker :) Takk for positiv tilbakemelding. Antageligvis er det mest effektive \u00e5 konvertere min markup til wikikildens, og s\u00e5 lage en djvu-fil ut i fra den teksten og\u00a0 pdf-filen til bokhylla.no.[[Bruker:Lars n.|Lars n.]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lars n.|diskusjon]]) 29. jun 2012 kl. 10:36 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Velkomen! Ja, det er bare \u00e5 sette i gang. Hvis du trenger hjelp med noe er det bare \u00e5 si ifra. F. eks. med \u00e5 konvertere pdf-er til djvu eller med \u00e5 redigere teksten n\u00e5r du har lagt den inn her. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 29. jun 2012 kl. 12:10 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Jeg har n\u00e5 laget en djvu-fil basert p\u00e5 bokhylla.no's pdf-fil av Jernvognen, og min egen tekst, som etter beste evne er gjort om til wikikilde-format, og opprettet en [[Indeks:Riverton,Stein-Jernvognen-1909.djvu|indeks-side]] for den. N\u00e5 gjenst\u00e5r det bare \u00e5 finne korrekt sted for \u00e5 stille alle mine </ins>sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">vedr\u00f8rende wiki-formatering av finurligheter i tekstene.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[Bruker:Lars n.|Lars n.]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lars n.|diskusjon]]) 3. jul 2012 kl. 10:13 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Et problem: <nowiki>{{hode|}}</nowiki> taggene vises i hovedfeltet; det medf\u00f8rer automatisk innrykk p\u00e5 f\u00f8rste virkelige linje. Hvordan b\u00f8r jeg formatere r\u00e5teksten slik at den automatisk vises i topptekst-feltet i ProofRead? Skal den omsluttes av noinclude?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[Bruker:Lars n.|Lars n.]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lars n.|diskusjon]]) 3. jul 2012 kl. 12:29 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:...og er det mulig \u00e5 leke seg med \u00e5 lage b\u00f8ker i sandkassen?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[Bruker:Lars n.|Lars n.]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lars n.|diskusjon]]) 4. jul 2012 kl. 09:31 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::For \u00e5 ta de letteste sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5lene f\u00f8rst: du kan stille sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l her: vi er noks\u00e5 f\u00e5 brukere, s\u00e5 vi har ikke de samme problemene som st\u00f8rre prosjekter har med at diskusjonssider raskt ville blitt fylt opp av mange samtaler.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Sandkassen er der nettopp for \u00e5 pr\u00f8ve seg frem. Der er det bare \u00e5 leke seg s\u00e5 mye man vil!</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Sperret tekst f\u00e5r du lett ved \u00e5 bruke {{mal|sperret}} som gir tekst som dette: {{sperret|sperret}}.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::s\u00e5 til slutt! Indekssiden din ser veldig imponerende ut! Den har sogar wiki-formatering i selve r\u00e5teksten, imponerende! Jeg tror du med dette har g\u00e5tt et skritt lengre enn det brukeren som opprinnelig lagde ProofreadPage s\u00e5 for seg, s\u00e5 noen s\u00e5nn mulighet s\u00e5 han ikke for seg. Jeg tror vi blir pent n\u00f8dt til \u00e5 flytte hodeteksten til hodefeltet ettersom vi korrekturleser. (men den korr-lesningen blir til gjengjeld en lek, ettersom teksten stemmer s\u00e5 godt overens med originalen!) kanskje K\u00e5re-Olav vet mer om dette.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::helt til slutt: som du nevner er det noen bugger i proofreadpage. F.eks. Tolkes alltid den siste linjen som et eget avsnitt, uavhengig av om den er det eller ikke. Tilsvarende kan man f\u00e5 innrykk for paragraf \u00f8verst p\u00e5 siden hvis man har hode-tekst, selv om siden ikke begynner med en ny paragraf. Forel\u00f8big ser det ikke ut til at mye gj\u00f8res for \u00e5 fikse dette problemet. Likevel, det er ikke et veldig alvorlig problem, siden det bare p\u00e5virker teksten slik den vises i side-navnerommet, den p\u00e5virker ikke hvordan teksten vises n\u00e5r den transkluderes til hovednavnerommet. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 4. jul 2012 kl. 10:45 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">: Nok en gang takk for tilbakemelding; det er meget god hjelp for en nybegynner. \u00c5 lage en djvu-fil med wiki-formatert r\u00e5tekst gikk radigt n\u00e5r jeg fant ut av djvulibre; litt s\u00f8k og erstatt var alt som skulle til. Takk og pris for sed! </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Veldig fint at du har korrigert f\u00f8rste kapittelet i Jernvognen, s\u00e5 blir det lettere for meg \u00e5 se hvilke ytterligere wiki-tags jeg kan legge inn i teksten automatisk, f.eks. drop caps, lenket tabell for innhold, og bunntekster. Synd at det ikke ser ut \u00e5 la seg ordne med at Proofread gjenkjenner topp- og bunntekster.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">: Noen av b\u00f8kene inneholder illustrasjoner og fotografier. Finnes det noen rettledning </ins>om <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">beste m\u00e5ten \u00e5 behandle dem p\u00e5? Jeg lurer spesielt p\u00e5 navngiving av filene, og hvordan angi relativ st\u00f8rrelse og plassering p\u00e5 siden. [[Bruker:Lars n.|Lars n.]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lars n.|diskusjon]]) 9. jul 2012 kl. 13:10 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Hvis jeg viste hvordan teksten p\u00e5 de enkelte sidene er kodet (hva som er koden for topptekst, hovertekst, bunntekst, s\u00e5 skulle jeg gitt dem til deg, s\u00e5 kunne du fors\u00f8kt \u00e5 lage indekser som inneholdt all den koden, og, forh\u00e5pentligvis, ville det fungert. (Hvis det ikke hadde fungert, s\u00e5 kunne du alltids laste opp en ny utgave av filen, som ikke inneholder den delen av koden, og vi kunne korrekturlest p\u00e5 vanlig m\u00e5te.) Uansett g\u00e5r det noks\u00e5 raskt \u00e5 korrekturlese filen, som den er n\u00e5.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::For bilder, s\u00e5 har vi ikke noen retningslinjer for hvilke navn de b\u00f8r ha. Det er to grunner til dette: For det f\u00f8rste, s\u00e5 har vi ikke s\u00e5 mange bilder p\u00e5 Wikikilden, s\u00e5 vi har ikke hatt noe behov for \u00e5 lage retningslinjer for det. For det annet, s\u00e5 vil bildene, n\u00e5r de lastes opp til Commons v\u00e6re tilgjengelige for bruk p\u00e5 ''alle'' Wikimedia-prosjekter, og da er det bedre med et ''beskrivende'' navn, enn med et navn som binder bildet veldig sterkt til boken. (Selv om dette ogs\u00e5, selvsagt, er mulig og akseptabelt.) Mitt forslag vil v\u00e6re \u00e5 bruke noe slikt som <tt>File:''Navn p\u00e5 boken'' - navn p\u00e5 bildet.XX</tt>, eventuelt kan du bruke kunstnerens navn, istedenfor bokens navn. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::For eksempler p\u00e5 hvordan andre har gjort dette kan du se f.eks. [[:Commons:Category:Eskimo Life (1891) by Fridtjof Nansen]] med bilder fra boken ''[[Eskimoliv]]'' av Fridtjof Nansen, [[:Commons:Category:Sagobok f\u00f6r barn.djvu]] som har bilder fra en bok med svenske oversettelser av noen eventyr av Asbj\u00f8rnsen og Moe, eller [[:Commons:Category:Norwegian fairy tales]] - litt nede p\u00e5 siden begynner en serie med illustrasjoner fra en tilsvarende svensk oversettelse med tittelen Folksagor. Hvis boken har \u00abnok\u00bb illustrasjoner, s\u00e5 kan du opprette en egen kategori for dem p\u00e5 Commons. (Hvor mange som er \u00abnok\u00bb vil variere, men f.o.m. en ca. 6-7 bilder, er nok, i mine \u00f8yne.) </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::For plassering etc, s\u00e5 er det, ogs\u00e5, noe vi ikke har retningslinjer for. Vanligvis fors\u00f8ker vi \u00e5 gjengi bildene akkurat slik som de er i boken. S\u00e5 hvis de ligger til h\u00f8yre p\u00e5 siden, s\u00e5 legger vi dem til h\u00f8yre, er de til venstre, til venstre, etc. For st\u00f8rrelse, s\u00e5 er det \u00f2g noe som varierer, stort sett etter hvem som legger dem inn. Uansett, hvis man trykker p\u00e5 bildet, s\u00e5 vil man f\u00e5 det opp i st\u00f8rre st\u00f8rrelse. (Som de fleste ''Wiki''-prosjekter, er mye av tankegangen ''as hoc'': Vi gj\u00f8r ting slik at de fungerer \u00abgodt nok\u00bb n\u00e5, og deretter kan de forbedres etterhvert som vi finner bedre l\u00f8sninger. Kanskje har du et forslag?) [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]</ins>]<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">) 10. jul 2012 kl. 19:15 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Modernisering og Wiktionary? ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jeg kan jo nevne her ogs\u00e5 at jeg har laget en post hos </ins>[<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">http</ins>://<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">no</ins>.<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">wiktionary</ins>.org/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">wiki/Wiktionary:Tinget#Arkaiske_ord Wiktionary] hvor jeg sp\u00f8r om det g\u00e5r an \u00e5 samarbeide rundt en moderniseringsfunksjon. For denne funksjonen er s\u00e5 vidt jeg vet ganske unik i Norge. Og det er klart at n\u00e5r det finnes et s\u00f8sterprosjekt som driver orbok, s\u00e5 b\u00f8r man se p\u00e5 muligheten. Men det blir kanskje mye koding? Vi har vel kopiert den franske funksjonen? --Anders J. 27. jun 2012 kl. 23:27 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg|80px|right]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">''(Apologies if this message isn't in your language. Please consider translating it)''</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hi,</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">As many of you are aware, the Wikimedia Board of Trustees recently initiated important changes in the way that money is being distributed within the Wikimedia movement. As part of this, a new community-led \"[[m:Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC|Funds Dissemination Committee]]\" (FDC) is currently being set up. Already in 2012-13, its recommendations will guide the decisions about the distribution of over 10 million US dollars among the Foundation, chapters and other [[m:Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Eligible_fund-seeking_entities|eligible entities]].</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Now, seven capable, knowledgeable and trustworthy community members are sought to volunteer on the initial Funds Dissemination Committee. It is expected to take up its work in September. In addition, a community member is sought to be the [[m:Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#FDC_Ombudsperson|Ombudsperson]] for the FDC process. If you are interested in joining the committee, read the [[m:Funds Dissemination Committee/Call for Volunteers|call for volunteers]]. Nominations are planned to close on August 15.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">--[[m:User:ASengupta_(WMF)|Anasuya Sengupta]], Director of Global Learning and Grantmaking, Wikimedia Foundation 19. jul 2012 kl. 22:18 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>Distributed via [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]]. (Wrong page? [[m:Distribution list/Global message delivery|Fix here]].)</small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0223 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Aviser i bokhylla.no ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Jag ser i bokhylla.no att det nu finns aviser/dagstidningar, till exempel [http://urn.nb.no/URN:NBN:no-nb_digavis_aftenposten_null_null_18720103_13_2_1 Aftenposten fr\u00e5n 1872]-1918. Finns det n\u00e5gra planer p\u00e5 att l\u00e4gga in dem i Wikisource? --[[Bruker:LA2|LA2]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:LA2|diskusjon]]) 3. sep 2012 kl. 18:39 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:Vi har allerede lagt inn noen slike: [[Indeks:Morgenbladet 1836]] og [[Indeks:VG 1880]]. Forel\u00f8big har dette mest v\u00e6rt ''ad hoc'' (for \u00e5 skaffe scans til tekster vi allerede hadde). Jeg tror ikke vi har noen konkrete planer om \u00e5 legge dem inn, i hvertfall ikke enda - men det er selvsagt innenfor prosjektets rammer \u00e5 ha dem. Forel\u00f8big, har vi hatt mer fokus p\u00e5 de b\u00f8kene vi allerede har indekser for. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 3. sep 2012 kl. 19:01 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Request for Comment: Legal Fees Assistance Program ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg|80px|right]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">''I apologize for addressing you in English. I would be grateful if you could translate this message into your language.''</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a [[:m:Request_for_comment/Legal_Fees_Assistance_Program|request for comment]] on a [[:m:Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/Legal_Fees_Assistance_Program|proposed program]] that could provide legal assistance to users in specific support roles who are named in a legal complaint as a defendant because of those roles. We wanted to be sure that your community was aware of this discussion and would have a chance to participate in [[:m:Request_for_comment/Legal_Fees_Assistance_Program|that discussion]]. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">If this page is not the best place to publicize this request for comment, please help spread the word to those who may be interested in participating. (If you'd like to help translating the \"request for comment\", program policy or other pages into your language and don't know how the translation system works, please come by my user talk page at [[:m:User talk:Mdennis (WMF)]]. I'll be happy to assist or to connect you with a volunteer who can assist.)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"> </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Thank you! --[[:m:User:Mdennis (WMF)|Mdennis (WMF)]]6. sep 2012 kl. 04:07 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>Distributed via [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]]. (Wrong page? [[m:Distribution list</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Global message delivery|Fix here]].)<</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0245 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg|80px|right]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">(Apologies if this message isn't in your language.) </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">As some of you might already have heard Wikimedia Deutschland is working on a new Wikimedia project. It is called [[m:Wikidata]]. The goal of Wikidata is to become a central data repository for the Wikipedias, its sister projects and the world. In the future it will hold data like the number of inhabitants of a country, the date of birth of a famous person or the length of a river. These can then be used in all Wikimedia projects and outside of them.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The project is divided into three phases and \"we are getting close to roll</ins>-<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">out the first phase\"</ins>. <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The phases are:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"># language links in the Wikipedias (making it possible to store the links between the language editions of an article just once in Wikidata instead of in each linked article)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"># infoboxes (making it possible to store the data that is currently in infoboxes in one central place and share the data)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"># </ins>lists <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">(making it possible to create lists and similar things based on queries to Wikidata so they update automatically when new data is added or modified)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">It'd be great if you could join us, test the [http://wikidata-test</ins>.wikimedia<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">.de demo version], provide feedback and take part in the development of Wikidata. You can find all the relevant information including an [[m:Wikidata/FAQ|FAQ]] and sign-up links for our on-wiki newsletter on [[m:Wikidata|the Wikidata page on Meta]]. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">For further discussions please use [[m:Talk:Wikidata|this talk page]] (if you are uncomfortable writing in English you can also write in your native language there) or point [[m:User_talk:Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)|me]] to the place where your discussion is happening so I can answer there.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">--[[m:User:Lydia Pintscher (WMDE)|Lydia Pintscher]] 10. sep 2012 kl. 15:32 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>Distributed via [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]]. (Wrong page? [[m:Distribution list/Global message delivery|Fix here]].)</small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0248 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Norske Folkeeventyr ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Sedan mitten av 1990-talet har Prosjekt Runeberg en [http://runeberg</ins>.org/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">folkeven/ </ins>e-<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">text av ''Norske Folkeeventyr''] av Asbj\u00f8rnsen og Moe. Enligt uppgift ska den utg\u00e5 fr\u00e5n \"Den norske Bokklubben, bind I, 1982\". Har n\u00e5gon tillg\u00e5ng till den utg\u00e5van och kan kontrollera om det st\u00e4mmer? Spr\u00e5kdr\u00e4kten \u00e4r \"moderniserad\", j\u00e4mf\u00f6rt med den dansk-norska [[Folkeeventyr (1852)]] som finns h\u00e4r i Wikikilden. Utg\u00f6r spr\u00e5kmoderniseringen en \u00f6vers\u00e4ttning fr\u00e5n danska till modernt bokm\u00e5l? Och kan den \u00f6vers\u00e4ttningen i s\u00e5 fall ge upphovsr\u00e4tt? Och vem skulle i s\u00e5 fall \u00e4ga den upphovsr\u00e4tten? Idag \u00e4r \"[http://www.bokklubben.no/ Den norske Bokklubben] en n\u00e4tbokhandel. \u00c4r det samma firma? Enligt Bibsys \u00e4r [https://ask.bibsys.no/ask2//html/?sourcetag=biblio&cql=bs.objektid%20exact%20%22101965699%22 utg\u00e5van 1982 fr\u00e5n Den norske bokklubben] en nyutg\u00e5va baserad p\u00e5 Gyldendals billedutgave fr\u00e5n 1936. --[[Bruker:LA2|LA2]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:LA2|diskusjon</ins>]<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">]) 26. sep 2012 kl. 13:12 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:For \u00e5 ta Bokklubben f\u00f8rst, s\u00e5 er det den samme som du lenker til. Du kan melde deg inn i bokklubben via den siden.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:N\u00e5r det gjelder den spr\u00e5klige oppdatering, er min forst\u00e5else, som lekmann, b\u00e5de n\u00e5r det gjelder {{mal|PD-old}} og hvordan Bibsys h\u00e5ndterer slike 'redigerte utgaver' av b\u00f8ker, at idet boken redigeres, enten det er en spr\u00e5klig modernisering, eller endring av selve teksten (korte ned setninger, dele teksten inn i kortere avsnitt, skaffe nye illustrasjoner av n\u00e5levende kunstnere), at man oppretter et ''nytt'' \u00e5ndsverk, som er beskyttet i henhold til loven. Hvis 'oversetter/redakt\u00f8r' av den moderne utgaven ikke er oppgitt, ville jeg selv antatt at det er et 'work for hire' og opphavsretten utl\u00f8per 70 \u00e5r etter utgivelsen. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 26. sep 2012 kl. 20:53 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::(Jeg er ikke jurist) For at et verk skal beskyttes av \u00e5ndsverkloven (\u00e5vl) m\u00e5 det ha tilstrekkelig verksh\u00f8yde. Verksh\u00f8yde er dessverre d\u00e5rlig definert, og lite/ikke avpr\u00f8vd av domstolene, men det ser ut til at redigering og spr\u00e5klig bearbeiding ikke beskyttes av \u00e5vl, i motsetning til oversettelse. Min oppfatning er derfor forskjellig fra V85. Uten at jeg skal ta Nasjonalbilioteket til sannhetsvitne, s\u00e5 har de lagt b\u00f8ker ut til fri nedlasting hvor forfatteren er d\u00f8d for mere enn sytti \u00e5r siden, men hvor redigering/bearbeidelse er foretatt av personer som d\u00f8de for mindre enn 70 \u00e5r siden. For\u00f8vrig vil jeg gjerne anbefale http://www.torvund.net/ for god informasjon om norsk opphavsrett.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Hvis min p\u00e5stand om spr\u00e5klig bearbeiding holder, blir da tilsynelatende det springende punkt om runeberg.org sin utgave av folkeeventyrene er \u00e5 betrakte som en oversettelse eller bearbeidelse. Det blir sv\u00e6rt n\u00e6rt knyttet til fra n\u00e5r man kan datere et eget riksm\u00e5l/bokm\u00e5l, noe som har blitt heftig debattert helt siden 1814. En av de klare milep\u00e6lene i den spr\u00e5kutviklingen var vel for\u00f8vrig nettopp utgivelsen av Asbj\u00f8rnsen og Moe. Men mere relevant er at siden spr\u00e5klig bearbeider av 1936-utgaven ikke ser ut til \u00e5 v\u00e6re oppgitt ([http://urn.nb.no/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2012080808053 3.bd, Nasj.bibl. kun norsk IP]), vil tekst-delen (i motsetning til enkelte av illustrasjonene) av verket ha falt i det fri i 2007, og jeg er overbevist om at eventuelle endringer i 82-utgaven i forhold til 36-utgaven vil v\u00e6re tilstrekkelig sm\u00e5 til at de ikke utgj\u00f8r selvstendig verksh\u00f8yde, og at runeberg derfor har sitt p\u00e5 det t\u00f8rre.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Skulle Boklubben be om \u00e5 f\u00e5 eventyrene fjernet fra runeberg.org, h\u00e5per jeg nettstedets ansvarlige ber om en utf\u00f8rlig begrunnelse p\u00e5 hvorfor deres opphavsrett er blitt krenket.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Det hadde v\u00e6rt fint om man kunne f\u00e5tt avklart dette prinsipielle sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let med hjelp av fagkyndige folk; det kommer nok til \u00e5 dukke opp mange ganger.[[Bruker:Lars n.|Lars n.]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lars n.|diskusjon]]) 3. jan 2013 kl. 12:36 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">{{asterisme}}</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::S\u00e5 vidt jeg kan fastsl\u00e5, '''er''' utgaven ''Norske Kunstneres Billedutgave'', f\u00f8rste gang utgitt i 1936 p\u00e5 Gyldendahl Norsk Forlag, med noe spr\u00e5klig modernisering. Spr\u00e5kutformingen i 1936-utgaven ble utf\u00f8rt av Prof. Knut Liest\u00f8l (d. 1952), jfr. etterskriftet i bd. III. Han baserte seg igjen p\u00e5 andres moderniseringer, og ikke p\u00e5 den originale m\u00e5lformen.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Det virker derfor som at det har foreg\u00e5tt en rekke inkrementelle spr\u00e5klige endringer, utf\u00f8rt av forskjellige personer opp gjennom \u00e5rene. Dermed mener jeg det er sv\u00e6rt gode argumenter for at Bokklubbens utgave ikke har verksh\u00f8yde, fordi det for hvert steg har v\u00e6rt snakk om diskret anvendelse av nye retsskrivnings- og gramatikk-regler som ikke har gitt rom for kunstnerisk tolkning. [[Bruker:Lars n.|Lars n.]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Lars n.|diskusjon]]) 10. sep 2013 kl. 20:10 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Upcoming software changes - please report any problems ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg|80px|right]]</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><div dir=ltr></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">''(Apologies if this message isn't in your language. Please consider translating it)''</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">All Wikimedia wikis - including this one - will soon be upgraded with new and possibly disruptive code.\u00a0 This process starts today and finishes on October 24 (see the [[mw:MediaWiki_1.21/Roadmap|upgrade schedule]] & [[mw:MediaWiki 1.21/wmf2|code details]]).</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Please watch for problems with:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* revision diffs</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* templates</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* CSS and JavaScript pages (like user scripts)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* bots</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* PDF export</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>* <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">images, video, and sound, especially scaling sizes</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* the CologneBlue skin</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">If you notice any problems, please [[mw:How to report a bug|report problems]] at [[mw:Bugzilla|our defect tracker site]].\u00a0 You can test for possible problems at [https://test2.wikipedia.org test2.wikipedia.org] and </ins>[https://<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">mediawiki</ins>.<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">org/ </ins>mediawiki.org<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">], which have already been updated.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Thanks!\u00a0 With your help we can find problems fast and get them fixed faster.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[mw:User:Sharihareswara (WMF)|Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Manager]] ([[mw:User talk:Sharihareswara (WMF)|talk]]) 16. okt 2012 kl. 05:07 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">P.S.: For the regular, smaller MediaWiki updates every two weeks, please [[mw:MediaWiki_1.21</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Roadmap|watch this schedule]].</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>Distributed via [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]]. (Wrong page? [[m:Distribution list/Global message delivery|Fix here]].)</small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"></div></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0278 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">''Please translate for your local community''</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hello All,</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The Wikimedia Foundation's Fundraising team have begun our 'User Experience' project, with the goal of understanding the donation experience in different countries outside the USA and enhancing the localization of our donation pages. I am searching for volunteers to spend 30 minutes on a Skype chat with me, reviewing their own country's donation pages. It will be done on a 'usability' format (I will ask you to read the text and go through the donation flow) and will be asking your feedback in the meanwhile. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">The only pre-requisite is for the volunteer to actually live in the country and to have access to at least one donation method that we offer for that country (mainly credit/debit card, but also real-time banking like IDEAL, E-wallets, etc...) so we can do a live test and see if the donation goes through. ''All volunteers will be reimbursed of the donations that eventually succeed'' (and they will be low amounts, like 1-2 dollars)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">By helping us you are actually helping thousands of people to support our mission of free knowledge across the world. Please sing up and help us with our 'User Experience' project! :)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">If you are interested (or know of anyone who could be) please email ppena@wikimedia.org. All countries needed (excepting USA)!</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Thanks!<br /></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[[wmf:User:Ppena|Pats Pena]]<br </ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Global Fundraising Operations Manager, Wikimedia Foundation</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Sent using [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]], 17. okt 2012 kl. 19:13 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><!-- EdwardsBot 0280 --></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Fremgang ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Gratulerer til alle! Vi har n\u00e5, med den siste ukens utviklinger, passert ''20&nbsp;000'' korrekturleste og validerte sider, og, for f\u00f8rste gang p\u00e5 lang tid, utgj\u00f8r antallet ''r\u00e5 sider'', mindre enn halvparten av det totale antallet sider! Hurra for oss alle! [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 21. okt 2012 kl. 17:32 (CEST)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">== Hvorfor ligger dommer i Wikisource og hvorfor kan de endres, mm ==</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Her er et noks\u00e5 tilfeldig utvalg av dommer jeg lurer p\u00e5 hvofor de st\u00e5r i Wikisource. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Alle h\u00f8yesterettsdommer trykkes i Norsk rettstidende og samtlige er tilgjengelige i kvalitetsikret tekst i Lovdata. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Her er mest dommer fra tingretten og de er sv\u00e6rt sjelden interessante juridisk. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Sv\u00e6rt mange av dommene er det mulig \u00e5 endre teksten i. Tekstene er ogs\u00e5 Wikifisert og fremst\u00e5r som up\u00e5litelige som kilde. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Dommer som gjelder navngitte personer blir anonymisert n\u00e5r de blir publisert. Her er lagt ut gamle dommer med fullt navn p\u00e5 personen. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Dommer er offentlige i en periode n\u00e5r de er nye. Skal man etter en tid skaffe seg en dom som gjelder en bestemt person s\u00e5 er det en tid mulig, men bare hvis du klarer \u00e5 identifisere hvem dette gjelder og n\u00e5r dommen falt. Etter en del \u00e5r er ikke dommer lenger offentlige og kan bare utleveres til den det gjelder eller noen grupper rette vedkommende. N\u00e5r det her legges ut dommer med fullt navn s\u00e5 omg\u00e5s regelverket for utlevering av dommer med navn. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Her ligger dommer som i ettertid har blitt endret av enten lagmannsrett, H\u00f8yesterett eller begge. Dommene ble aldri rettskraftige. I Lovdata er slike opplysninger lette \u00e5 finne, i Wikisource g\u00e5r ikke det an \u00e5 se. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Er det n\u00f8dvendig \u00e5 publisere dommer p\u00e5 Wikisource? Jeg skj\u00f8nner at dommen mot Quisling er interessant, men da m\u00e5 den legges ut p\u00e5 en annen m\u00e5te slik at det g\u00e5r an \u00e5 stole p\u00e5 at teksten er riktig. For\u00f8vrig har jeg problemer med \u00e5 se at disse dommene b\u00f8r ligge i Wikisource. Skal Wikisource gjengi ting som er s\u00e5 lett tilgjengelige i Lovdata eller p\u00e5 bibliotek som Rettstidende er? Hva er policy her og hva b\u00f8r den v\u00e6re? Jeg skj\u00f8nner at noen veldig f\u00e5 dommer kan fortjene plass p\u00e5 Wikisource, men de var ikke godt representert her. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Detaljert omtale av enkelte dommer er lagt p\u00e5 [[Kategoridiskusjon:Rettsavgj\u00f8relser]][[Bruker:Stallo|Stallo]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Stallo|diskusjon]]) 25. des 2012 kl. 16:03 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">: Wikikilden er i dag f\u00f8rst og fremst et sted for \u00e5 korrekturlese innscannede tekster (f.eks. tekster av Bj\u00f8rnson eller Ibsen). For de nye tekstene v\u00e5re \u00f8nsker vi stort sett at det skal foreligge et tekstgrunnlag i bildeform av originalteksten ([[:Side</ins>:<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Det norske Folks Historie 1-2.djvu</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">288|eksempel]]). Imidlertid ligger det mye annet her som enten har ligget her fra gammelt av, eller som er lagt inn senere av wikipedianere som tilleggsmateriale for en eller annen artikkel p\u00e5 Wikipedia. Lovtekstene faller i denne siste kategorien, vil jeg tro. Jeg er enig i argumentene dine, og kunne godt tenke meg at vi slettet disse tekstene, siden de strengt tatt ikke oppfyller kvalitetskravene vi holder oss til i dag (tekstgrunnlag i form av scannede bilder). Har derfor lagt opp et sletteforslag p\u00e5 [[Wikikilden:Sletting]]. Takk for at du tok gjorde oss oppmerksomme p\u00e5 det problemetiske ved disse tekstene. [[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:K\u00e5re-Olav|diskusjon]]) 25. des 2012 kl. 16:42 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::N\u00e5r det gjelder dommene hvor det finnes scannede originaler, skulle jeg gjerne \u00f8nske mer informasjon. Hva er din mening om disse tekstene? Har Wikikilden lov til \u00e5 publisere dem? [[Bruker:K\u00e5re-Olav|K\u00e5re-Olav]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:K\u00e5re-Olav|diskusjon]]) 25. des 2012 kl. 16:49 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Slik jeg ser det er det to forskjellige emner som tas opp her: Det f\u00f8rste er hvorvidt det er lov \u00e5 legge ut dommer (eller hvilke forbehold som m\u00e5 f\u00f8lges n\u00e5r de legges ut), det andre er hvorvidt det er hensiktsmessig. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::N\u00e5r det gjelder det f\u00f8rste punktet, s\u00e5 vet jeg ikke svaret, kanskje Stallo kan opplyse oss om hvilke forbehold som gjelder. Jeg vil dog legge til at bare fordi andre kilder anonymiserer (el.l.), s\u00e5 betyr ikke det automatisk at vi \u00f2g m\u00e5 gj\u00f8r det, med mindre det er et juridisk forbehold om det. Dommene i Marie Amelie-saken eller mot Quisling er jo, f.eks. interessante pga. hovedpersonen, s\u00e5 det virker underlig \u00e5 skulle anonymisere her.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::N\u00e5r det gjelder det andre punktet, har jeg inntrykk av at Stallo ikke forst\u00e5r hva Wikikilden er. (Denne manglende kunnskapen illustreres godt ved at han velger \u00e5 kalle det \u00abWikisource\u00bb, fremfor \u00abWikikilden\u00bb, som er det egentlige navnet.) Dersom vi skulle fulgt argumentet om at tekster som kan finnes i et bibliotek, et arkiv eller et annet nettsted ikke h\u00f8rer hjemme her, s\u00e5 forsvinner hele poenget med Wikikilden. Det vi gj\u00f8r er \u00e5 gj\u00f8re tilgjengelige tekster som kan finnes andre steder, men kanskje gj\u00f8re dem litt mer tilgjengelige, ved at de legges ut p\u00e5 Internett, i ren tekst.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Tilsvarende, s\u00e5 kan hvem som helst komme inn \u00e5 redigere en tekst: Dette kan de, fordi Wikikilden er en wiki - et oppslagsverk der hvem som helst kan redigere. Tanken er at jo flere redakt\u00f8rer vi har, desto lettere vil det v\u00e6re \u00e5 finne feil og \u00e5 gj\u00f8re tekstene s\u00e5 tro mot originalen som mulig. Videre, s\u00e5 er det at vi er en wiki, noe som gj\u00f8r at tekstene f\u00e5r et visst utseende n\u00e5r det gjelder formatering etc. \u00c5 legge inn lenker i teksten er i mine \u00f8yne ikke \u00abfeil\u00bb (vi er Wikikilden, ikke Lovdata), men \u00e5 legge inn ting som ikke er i originalteksten, vil v\u00e6re det. Dette betyr ogs\u00e5, \u00e5 legge inn forklaringer over hva en tekst er eller hvordan den skal tolkes - dette h\u00f8rer hjemme i Wikipedia-artikler, og vi kan, om n\u00f8dvendig lenke dit. P\u00e5 samme m\u00e5te, bruker vi ikke samme linjedeling som i de b\u00f8kene vi utgir (med unntak av dikt), og vi deler tekstene i kapitler, snarere enn \u00e5 beholde den samme sideinndeligen som b\u00f8kene har.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Per n\u00e5, er inklusjonskravene p\u00e5 Wikikilden ganske l\u00f8se: Teksten m\u00e5 v\u00e6re \u00abfri\u00bb og tidligere publisert. Resultatet er at de tekstene som er tilgjengelige her, gjerne ikke baserer seg p\u00e5 noen \u00ablogikk\u00bb om at tekstene m\u00e5 v\u00e6re \u00abviktige\u00bb eller \u00abkjente\u00bb; utvalget baserer seg mer p\u00e5 hva som er tilgjengelig og hva redakt\u00f8rer \u00f8nsker \u00e5 bidre med. Dette kan gi visse skjeve utslag, og dette viser seg gjerne spesielt i utvalget av dommer.</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::I mine \u00f8yne er det to sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l vi m\u00e5 besvare i denne konteksten:</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::</ins>#<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Har vi dekning for \u00e5 publisere dommer? sekund\u00e6rt: er det visse retningslinjer som m\u00e5 f\u00f8lges (som \u00e5 inkludere rettsbok eller anonymisere partene)?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::#Hvis vi kan publisere dommer, \u00f8nsker vi \u00e5 gj\u00f8re det? (Selv mener jeg de kan ha en plass p\u00e5 Wikikilden, som alle andre tekster utgitt p\u00e5 norsk.) Dersom vi skal ha dommer, mener jeg, m\u00e5 vi godta at ''alle'' dommer har en plass p\u00e5 Wikikilden. Akkurat som for andre tekster, b\u00f8 vi ikke ha noen kriterier for \u00e5 vurdere om dommene er \u00abverdt\u00bb \u00e5 v\u00e6re her. Jeg vil ogs\u00e5 si at dommer som er avsagt, men ikke rettskraftig kan h\u00f8re hjemme p\u00e5 Wikikilden, som en del av historien til saken. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Til slutt, som </ins>for <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">alle andre tekster, b\u00f8r/m\u00e5 ogs\u00e5 dommer ha scans. Kanskje den beste m\u00e5ten \u00e5 f\u00e5 dommer inn p\u00e5 Wikikilden p\u00e5 (om vi skulle ha lyst til det), ville v\u00e6re \u00e5 korrekturlese Rettstidende. [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]</ins>]<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">) 26. des 2012 kl. 12:29 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Beklager at jeg ikke fulgte med (hadde glemt krysset for overv\u00e5kning). Rett til utskrift av en dom reguleres av p\u00e5taleinstruksen kapittel 4 http://www.lovdata.no/for/sf/jd/xd-19850628-1679.html (NB dette gjelder straffesak, hva som gjelder i sivile saker er jeg usikker p\u00e5):</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\"><small>''\u00a7 4-1. Rett til utskrift av dokumentene i en avsluttet straffesak'' </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*(f\u00f8rste ledd)\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 Forn\u00e6rmede og etterlatte kan kreve utskrift av rettsb\u00f8ker og andre dokumenter i en avsluttet straffesak. Slikt krav kan ogs\u00e5 fremsettes av enhver annen som det har rettslig interesse for. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*(andre ledd)\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 ''Bestemmelsen i f\u00f8rste ledd gjelder ikke personaliarapporten og andre dokumenter som etter \u00a7 2-2 f\u00f8rste ledd annet og tredje punktum skal arkiveres s\u00e6rskilt. Bestemmelsen gjelder heller ikke for dokumenter som inneholder taushetsbelagte personopplysninger fra annet offentlig organ som organet ikke har innhentet for bruk i straffesaken. Forn\u00e6rmede og andre kan ikke uten rettslig interesse kreve utskrift av andre dokumenter med personopplysninger som ikke g\u00e5r frem av dom i saken.'' </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*(tredje ledd)\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 ''Enhver kan kreve utskrift av en dom i en bestemt straffesak s\u00e5 langt som det ikke gjelder forbud mot offentlig gjengivelse av dommen, eller, dersom det gjelder slikt forbud eller utskrift nektes etter fjerde ledd, innsyn i domsslutningen. Tilsvarende gjelder ogs\u00e5 for kjennelser som avgj\u00f8r anker og kjennelser om habilitet, avvisning, gjen\u00e5pning, erstatning i anledning forf\u00f8lgning og heving. Kravet kan alltid avsl\u00e5s hvis avgj\u00f8relsen er eldre enn fem \u00e5r eller den som krever utskrift bare identifiserer avgj\u00f8relsen ved siktedes navn. Utskrift av dom eller kjennelse kan gis selv om de inneholder gjengivelse fra psykiatriske erkl\u00e6ringer, personunders\u00f8kelser eller andre personopplysninger. Utskrift av kjennelser i saker som nevnt i straffeprosessloven \u00a7 100 a skal ikke gis.'' </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*(fjerde ledd)\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 ''Utskrift skal nektes n\u00e5r det av hensyn til rikets sikkerhet eller forhold til fremmed stat ville v\u00e6re betenkelig \u00e5 gi utskrift, eller n\u00e5r det er grunn til \u00e5 frykte at utskriften vil bli nyttet p\u00e5 urettmessig vis. Overfor andre enn partene gjelder det samme n\u00e5r retten har gitt p\u00e5legg om hemmelighold. Utskrift kan nektes av dokumenter som retten tidligere har nektet innsyn i etter reglene i straffeprosessloven \u00a7 28 tredje ledd, \u00a7 242a, \u00a7 264 sjette ledd, eller \u00a7 267 f\u00f8rste ledd tredje punktum, jf. \u00a7 264 sjette ledd, eller for \u00f8vrig dersom vilk\u00e5rene i straffeprosessloven \u00a7 242a f\u00f8rste jf. annet ledd er oppfylt. Utskrift kan ogs\u00e5 nektes av dokumenter som inneholder opplysninger som p\u00e5talemyndigheten tidligere har begj\u00e6rt unntatt fra innsyn etter disse bestemmelsene, dersom p\u00e5talemyndigheten innstilte forf\u00f8lgningen etter straffeprosessloven \u00a7 72 f\u00f8rste ledd annet punktum annet alternativ fordi den ikke fikk medhold i begj\u00e6ringen.'' </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">*(femte ledd)\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 ''Sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om retten til utskrift bed\u00f8mmes i forhold til hvert enkelt dokument.''</small></ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Hvorvidt det eksisterer noe forbud mot \u00e5 publisere dommer og lagre dem s\u00e5 lenge som vil bli gjort i Wikikilden vet jeg ikke, men det vil nok kunne sees som et brudd p\u00e5 form\u00e5let med \u00e5 ha en bestemmelse om at etter en viss tid skal ikke hvemsomhelst kunne f\u00e5 en dom utlevert.\u00a0 </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Jeg synes nok Wikikilden b\u00f8r unders\u00f8ke med kompetent jurist om det er lovlig \u00e5 publisere straffesaker med domfeltes navn. Det er et grunnprinsipp i strafferetten at folk skal kunne legge ting bak seg etter soning og i alle fall etter en viss tid.Det kommer p\u00e5 tvers av ganske mye av i alle fall intensjonene i strafferegistreringsloven og politiregisterloven. Datatilsynet har dyp kompetanse p\u00e5 personopplysninger og er kanskje rett instans \u00e5 sp\u00f8rre?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Det er ogs\u00e5 et hensyn at utgivelse av enkelte dommer for enkelte straffed\u00f8mte vil f\u00f8re til at akkurat deres dom vil bli liggende p\u00e5 internett til offentlig beskuelse og vil kunne ramme enkeltpersoner ganske hardt. Hvemsomhelst kan p\u00e5 denne m\u00e5ten skaffe seg tilgang til kopi av en dom og f\u00e5 seg en skikkelig hevn over domfelte ved \u00e5 publisere dommen p\u00e5 Wikikilden slik at domfelte blir liggende der til spott og spe lenge. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* En rekke av dommene som er registrert i Wikikilden er redigerbare og derfor verdil\u00f8se som kilde. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Wikifisering av teksten en dom er en redigering og gj\u00f8r dommen verdil\u00f8s som kilde. For dommer er det kun en kopi som kan verifiseres som har noen verdi som kilde. Er det grunn til \u00e5 tro at dommen er redigert p\u00e5 noen m\u00e5te er ikke kopien mye verdt som kilde. Slik det er gj\u00f8res n\u00e5 er ikke disse dokumentene noe som helst verdt som kilde. Skal det publiseres dommer m\u00e5 det v\u00e6re mulig \u00e5 stole p\u00e5 at det er en skannet og kontrollert kopi.\u00a0 </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Flere av dommene jeg fant var ikke rettskraftige. Ikke bare l\u00e5 de som kilde p\u00e5 Wikikilden, men de gjelder ikke fordi de ble anket og h\u00f8yere instans sa noe annet. Problemet med \u00e5 publisere enkelte dommer i en sak f\u00f8r det foreligger en rettskraftig avgj\u00f8relse er at ingen husker \u00e5 komplettere n\u00e5r saken blir avgjort. ABB saken er fors\u00e5vidt et godt eksempel, de dommene som ligger i Wikikilden er et s\u00e5 lite utplukk av alle avgj\u00f8relsene som ble fattet at det i seg selv utgj\u00f8r et kildeproblem. Det er for mange avgj\u00f8relser som mangler. Theatercafe dommen er et annet eksempel, Wikikilden har kun kopi av en underretsavgj\u00f8relse som ble anket og som for ettertiden er noks\u00e5 uinteressant. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>* <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Absolutt alle h\u00f8yesterettsdommer tilbake til tidlig 1800-tall er greie \u00e5 finne i Lovdata og det er en p\u00e5litelig kilde, men alts\u00e5 en betaltjeneste. Behovet for \u00e5 publisere dommer i Wikikilden kan ikke v\u00e6re s\u00e6rlig stort. (Dette klart med unntak av dommen mot Qvisling, ABB og noen andre veldig kjente dommer som b\u00e5de er allment kjent og har stor allmenn interesse. I Amelie saken er det sv\u00e6rt lite som har tilflytt offentligheten, de fleste og mest interessante avgj\u00f8relsene tilh\u00f8rer familien, er ikke offentlige og er ikke lagt ut p\u00e5 nett, men jeg er jo enig i at det hun har gitt fra seg er interessant.) </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* \u00c5 sette seg ned og lese Rettstidene og skrive ned det som st\u00e5r der vil ikke v\u00e6re noen god kilde, som sagt her vil det v\u00e6re en scannet kopi som m\u00e5 v\u00e6re kilde for at det skal ha verdi og kunne refereres til. \u00c5 gi seg til l\u00e5 scanne inn Rettstidene tror jeg noen vil f\u00e5 \"hikke\" av, det er faktisk et tidskrift det koster penger \u00e5 abonnere p\u00e5. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Det kommer tusenvis av dommer hvert eneste \u00e5r og skal Wikikilden virkelig bruke tid og plass p\u00e5 \u00e5 kontrollere dette? Dette kan v\u00e6re veldig sv\u00e6rt, mye arbeid \u00e5 holde kontroll med og er det verdt en slik jobb?</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Det vil en og annen gang v\u00e6re saker som har allmenn og historisk interesse, som ABB saken, men jeg tror vel heller at det er en ide \u00e5 unders\u00f8ke om saken er interessant nok til \u00e5 fortjene \u00e5 bli utgitt, og hvis den er det s\u00f8rge for at allt interessant og publiserbart rettsmateriale blir scannet til Wikikilden p\u00e5 en slik m\u00e5te at det g\u00e5r an \u00e5 stole p\u00e5 det som en kilde. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">* Jeg synes vel f\u00f8rst og fremst at dette var mer villedende enn veiledende og at slik det gj\u00f8res har det ingen verdi som kilde og der kommer biblioteksargumentet inn, hvis jeg har valget mellom en up\u00e5litelig kilde p\u00e5 nett og en p\u00e5litelig kilde fra et bibliotek s\u00e5 velger i alle fall jeg biblioteket. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">Beklager at jeg surret med navnet Wikikilden og Wikisource, n\u00e5r jeg s\u00e5 disse dommene s\u00e5 lurte jeg f\u00e6lt p\u00e5 hva vitsen med \u00e5 publisere dette var, jeg pr\u00f8vde faktisk \u00e5 orientere meg og finne ut hva de forekjellige Wikiene hold p\u00e5 med. [[Bruker:Stallo|Stallo]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Stallo|diskusjon]]) 8. jan 2013 kl. 17:18 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:'''Kortversjon av kommentar.''' '''1.''' Jeg tror f\u00f8rst og fremst at det er lurt \u00e5 sp\u00f8rre Datatilsynet om personopplysninger som navn og f\u00f8dselsdato er lov \u00e5 publisere ved \u00e5 skanne inn dommer og lagre dem. (sjekk ut [[http://www.domstol.no/no/Apenhet-i-domstolene/]] for enkel fremstilling av hvem som kan be om \u00e5 f\u00e5 en dom og n\u00e5r). Hvis Datatilsynet sp\u00f8rres b\u00f8r det bes om regler for straffesaker, sivilesaker og utlendingssaker (og om det kan tenkes andre sakstyper som er spesielle). Ogs\u00e5 sp\u00f8rre Datatilsynet om andre instanser som f. eks politi, domstoler, arbeidsrett, trygderett eller andre b\u00f8r kontaktes med samme sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l.\u00a0 '''2.''' Datalagringsplass koster penger, vurdere om det har noen nytte \u00e5 lagre dommer annet enn i helt spesielle saker. Dette er ogs\u00e5 bygd p\u00e5 frivillig arbeidsinnsats og dommer vil sluke en del arbeidsinnsats ogs\u00e5 fra andre enn dem som legger dem inn, er de verdt jobben? '''3. ''' Rettstidende og lovdata inneholder en ''ingress''/kort beskrivelse som de eier, dvs selve dommen har de ikke copyright p\u00e5, men paginering og ingress er det neppe lov \u00e5 kopiere. '''4. '''Hvis det er fritt frem, gj\u00f8re en vurdering av mulighetene for at Wikikilden kan misbrukes av folk som gjerne ser opplysninger om uvennen sin p\u00e5 \"trykk\". F\u00e5 tatt en titt p\u00e5 muligheter for \u00e5 p\u00e5dra seg erstatningsansvar.\u00a0 '''5.''' Hvis det b\u00f8r v\u00e6re en begrensing i hvilke dommer som h\u00f8rer hjemme her: finne ut hvordan de helt spesielle sakene (som f. eks.) ABB (alle avgj\u00f8relsene ligger p\u00e5 nett hos Oslo tingrett [[http://www.domstol.no/no/Aktuelt/Nyheter/Nettsted-for-22-juli-saken/]] og </ins>[<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">[http://www.domstol.no/Enkelt-domstol/22-7/]] (anonymisert), \u00d8ygarden saken ligger p\u00e5 nett (anonymisert) [[http</ins>://www.<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">domstol</ins>.<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">no/Enkelt-domstol/Sor-Gudbrandsdal-tingrett/Oygard-saken</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">]] og Quisling skal h\u00e5ndteres. [[Bruker:Stallo|Stallo]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Stallo|diskusjon]]) 8. jan 2013 kl. 19:46 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div>\u00a0</div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Jeg tror du fremdeles misforst\u00e5r hva slags prosjekt Wikikilden er, og hvordan det fungerer. I likhet med Wikipedia har ikke Wikikilden noen sentral redaksjon som tar avgj\u00f8relser om hvilke tekster som skal ligge her, og hvilke som ikke skal ligge her. Det er de enkelte brukerne som avgj\u00f8r hvilke tekster de vil jobbe med, og som avgj\u00f8r hvilke tekster vi har. P\u00e5 samme m\u00e5te som brukere p\u00e5 Wikipedia velger hvilke emner de vil skrive artikler om. P\u00e5 Wikipedia er det notabilitetskrav som avgj\u00f8r om en artikkel har livets rett, p\u00e5 Wikikilden er ordningen litt anderledes: ''Alle'' tekster kan legges ut her, s\u00e5 lenge de er ''fri'' og ikke er \u00abvanity publishing\u00bb. Kort fortalt er det ''tre'' ting som gj\u00f8r at en tekst ansees som fri: 1. Opphavsretten er utl\u00f8pt (typisk fordi forfatter d\u00f8de for 70+ \u00e5r siden), 2. Teksten har aldri v\u00e6rt omfattet av opphavsretten (typisk fordi den er utgitt av en regjering eller en tilsvarende organisasjon), 3. Opprettshaver har sagt fra seg opphavsretten, eller tillater at teksten publiseres under en fri lisens (som CC-BY). </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::Wikikildens form\u00e5l er ''ikke'' \u00e5 v\u00e6re et \u00abnytt Rettstidende\u00bb el.l. Akkurat som Wikipedia ikke har som m\u00e5l \u00e5 fortrenge Encyclop\u00e6dia Britannica, men oppfordrer folk til \u00e5 utvise kildekritikk n\u00e5r de leser Wikipedia-artikler, har heller ikke Wikikilden noe m\u00e5l om \u00e5 skulle fortrenge andre nettesteder eller biblioteker. Som jeg sa tidligere, dersom vi ikke skulle tatt med tekster som er tilgjengelige p\u00e5 biblioteket, s\u00e5 er det jo ikke noen ting for oss \u00e5 gj\u00f8re her, og vi kan bare slette hele Wikikilden. Jeg vil absolutt h\u00e5pe at norske jurister ikke har Wikikilden som f\u00f8rstestopp n\u00e5r de skal finne tidligere rettskjennelser. At tekstene er \u00abwikifiserte\u00bb er, igjen, i mine \u00f8yne ikke et problem, selv om det m\u00e5tte gj\u00f8re at de ikke lenger ansees som \u00abgyldige kopier\u00bb av dommen: Jeg tror dette kan gj\u00f8re tekstene lettere \u00e5 forst\u00e5 for lekfolk, ved at sentrale personer og begreper gj\u00f8res til lenker der man kan finne ekstra informasjon. At vi skal gjengi en tekst 100% likt slik den forekommer i originalen, enten det er en dom eller en roman, er urealistisk, og ikke noe m\u00e5l i seg selv, selv om det m\u00e5tte gj\u00f8re at en dom ikke lenger fremst\u00e5r som \u00abkorrekt\u00bb. \u00c5 beholde den opprinnelige formateringen til en tekst vil kreve koding av font, skriftst\u00f8rrelse, linjeinnrykk og mange andre ting som ting som vi ikke gj\u00f8r. Dette er en </ins>wiki<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">, s\u00e5 vi koder tekstene v\u00e5re med wiki-markup; det har b\u00e5de fordeler og ulemper. S\u00e5 lenge teksten, ord-for-ord (intern-lenking untatt), er den samme, s\u00e5 er det godt nok. </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::N\u00e5r det gjelder hvorvidt dommer er rettskraftige, s\u00e5 vil jeg sammenligne dette med informasjon p\u00e5 Wikipedia som blir \u00abutdatert\u00bb, og dette er et problem. Personlig tror jeg ikke l\u00f8sningen (n\u00f8dvendigvis) er \u00e5 forby \u00e5 ha rettskjennelser, men snarere at man kan legge inn kjennesler b\u00e5de fra lavere og h\u00f8yere instanser, og gjerne lenke dem sammen med en mal med en tekst som \u00abSakens behandling i <nowiki>[[tingretten]], [[lagmannsretten]], [[h\u00f8yesterett]]<</ins>/<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">nowiki>\u00bb. For 22. juli-saken kunne man hatt en tilsvarende mal med alle kjennelsene lenket til hverandre. Dersom du mener dette er viktig, s\u00e5 tror jeg en mer fruktbar bruk av b\u00e5de din og v\u00e5r tid vil v\u00e6re \u00e5 legge disse dommene inn, fremfor \u00e5 skrive lange debattinnlegg om hvordan Wikikilden fremst\u00e5r som en d\u00e5rlig kilde. P\u00e5 kortere sikt, kunne man jo i infoboksen til f.eks. \u00abTheatercafesaken\u00bb legge inn en ekstra linje om at dommen ble anket (og dermed implisitt ikke er rettskraftig). [[Bruker:V85|V85]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:V85|diskusjon]]) 9. jan 2013 kl. 16:31 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::Et '''grunnproblem''' her er hvorvidt dette er tillatt og om det noen ganger et tillatt og andre ganger forbudt. N\u00e5r jeg ser etter noe finner jeg noen ganger noe annet og denne gangen snubla jeg over hva H\u00f8yesterett sier om saken: </ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::::''Unntak fr\u00e5 hovudregelen om offentleg innsyn er heimla i domstollova \u00a7 130 f\u00f8rste ledd bokstav a der \u00ab hensynet til privatlivets fred ... krever det \u00bb, jf. og i EMK artikkel 8. Kravet om at rettsavgjerder skal v\u00e6re offentlege, er eit fundamentalt rettsstatsprinsipp. Det m\u00e5 og sj\u00e5ast i lys av EMK artikkel 10. Det skal difor \u00ab meget sterke grunner \u00bb til for heilt ut \u00e5 forby offentleg attgiving, jf. Rt-2007-518 avsnitt 17. I avsnitt 16 i den same avgjerda uttala H\u00f8gsteretts ankeutval:''</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">::</ins>::<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">''\u00ab Et forbud mot offentlig gjengivelse av en rettsavgj\u00f8relse p\u00e5 grunnlag av hensynet til privatlivets fred m\u00e5 v\u00e6re begrunnet i behovet for </ins>\u00e5 beskytte <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">siktede, forn\u00e6rmede eller andre involverte </ins>mot <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">at opplysninger om personlige eller andre private forhold blir gjort offentlig kjent. Hvorvidt en slik beslutning skal treffes, og hvor omfattende den i tilfelle skal gj\u00f8res, beror </ins>p\u00e5 <ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">en avveining av allmennhetens \u2013 herunder pressens \u2013 behov for innsyn, og de ber\u00f8rtes interesser i at slike opplysninger ikke blir spredt. \u00bb''</ins></div></td></tr>\n<tr><td colspan=\"2\" class=\"diff-side-deleted\"></td><td class=\"diff-marker\" data-marker=\"+\"></td><td class=\"diff-addedline diff-side-added\"><div><ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">:::sitert fra H\u00f8yesteretts sak nr HR-2012-2401-U (http://www.lovdata.no/hr/hr-2012-02401-u.html). Risikoen her er at Wikikilden skaffer seg juridiske problemer og tr\u00e5kker ordentlig opp i enkeltpersoner sine menneskerettigheter. I saken dette gjaldt var det tillatt \u00e5 publisere dommen, men kun i anonymisert form. Vi snakker alts\u00e5 om tekster hvor mye av teksten er i det fri, men deler av den er unntatt offentlighet. Det er min mening at her b\u00f8r Datatilsynet sp\u00f8rres om hva de mener om publisering av dommer ikke minst om gamle dommer som ikke lenger er offentlige. Her b\u00f8r noen ta ansvar for \u00e5 finne ut hvordan lover og regler faktisk ser ut.\u00a0 [[Bruker:Stallo|Stallo]] ([[Brukerdiskusjon:Stallo|diskusjon]</ins>]<ins class=\"diffchange diffchange-inline\">) 12. jan 2013 kl. 15:12 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr>\n"
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